Thanks for your points. The more we can get to the facts, the better.

I would hardly call Monica a tool of the right wing just because she has a few disagreements of some of the popular left-wing talking points. To me, such branding of individuals as being on one side or the other is only furthering the American divide.

Your response was inadequate to make your point. I will try to explain what I would be looking for, but this might have me branded at TERF as well.

I have encountered more than a few stories of trans women who have dominated their sport. Not by numbers, but by physical ability. Between these stories and my understanding of human biology, this seems likely.

Let me explain this in a different way. If 1% of female athletes are trans, and 10% of the medal winners or getting the spots on team sports, I would say trans females have had a testosterone advantage.

If the four trans athletes in your Utah anecdote are leaders in their sporting field, this would also be a sign of a testosterone advantage. However, my understanding of human biology says that girls sports is not so affected for the testosterone advantage will not have had full effect at those ages.

More research is required. If the testosterone advantage is conclusively proven, then society has the difficult decision of whether to include trans women in female sports--at the higher levels.

But first we should get some facts, not rely on chosen articles on the internet.

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In case you are wondering, my opinion are trans issues is that this decision belongs to the individual and the medical/psycholoogy team around that individual.

If some people have strong morals against gender reassignment and find themselves in this situation, they would have the freedom not to go down that path.

But if you want to cast me in the camp of radical conservatives for bringing up the inclusion issue at the higher level of sports, then the USA is truly screwed up. One side or the other has to run the show--to the exclusion of the other side.